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Re: i need 4x5 depth of field quick pointer

Post by Joanna Carter » Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:44 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

timparkin wrote:I thought you discovered the microtilt from looking at Merklingers maths tables? Science?
Indeed, I did discover the essential principles there and, taking those figures as a starting point, I then needed to experiment as to how to achieve the "theoretical" results.
timparkin wrote:Anyone can confirm this anyway - set up their camera with tilts zero'd and then just move between 0 degrees of tilt and 0.02 degrees of tilt (in actual fact just put a little bit of ressure on the camera should be enough to make it tilt a tiny amount). If you see a dramatic increase in depth of field, I'm completely in the wrong. If nothing really changes, welcome to 'science' ;-)
No, you can't "just" apply the micro-tilt to achieve the effect, there is more to it than that. How about organising a day workshop where folks can come and I will explain and demonstrate?
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Re: i need 4x5 depth of field quick pointer

Post by timparkin » Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:01 am Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Presumable the only other factors you can play with are aperture of focus point. Presumably, your microtilt should work at a fixed aperture so the only variable left is focal point isn't it?

Given that a tilted rear standard can be thought of a series of offset upright standards (see the diagram below) I can't see how a small 'microtilt' can possibly be anything other that tending towards a standard hyperfocal scenario?

Could you explain your procedure for getting this additional depth of field? Out of interest, if micro-tilt's enhance depth of field so much, why don't standard camera manufacturers include a tiny amount of tilt on their sensors to make the most of this?

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Re: i need 4x5 depth of field quick pointer

Post by Joanna Carter » Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:03 am Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Like I said, forget the diagrams and theory, you need to see it in action 8)
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Re: i need 4x5 depth of field quick pointer

Post by timparkin » Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:17 am Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Joanna Carter wrote:Like I said, forget the diagrams and theory, you need to see it in action 8)
Just take me a couple of photos at 0 degrees and 0.2 degrees, the difference should be obvious? My guess is that you have discovered hyperfocal focussing on a view camera.. ;-)

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Re: i need 4x5 depth of field quick pointer

Post by uniB » Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:58 am Etc/GMT-1+01:00

I always tilt my Chamonix by 0.2 degrees for perfect focusing, if I go too far - maybe to 0.4 degrees it all goes wrong and I have to resort to normal Scheimpflug focusing. I find that easier as it takes me about 6 hours to get the .2 of a degree of tilt from a wooden camera. Apparently it's much easier with an Ebony.
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Re: i need 4x5 depth of field quick pointer

Post by dave_whatever » Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:54 am Etc/GMT-1+01:00

I doubt very much that anyone without geared tilt can reliably and repeatably (and intentionally!) get a fraction of a degree of tilt. I wouldn't be surprised if manufacturing tolerances plus natural flex and expansion/contraction due to temperature and humidity account for more than these fractional movements anyway.

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