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Lens for a MPP

Post by Nick Coombs » Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:24 am Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Hi...

Some help and advice please.

I have a MK VI Micropress camera with a 150mm lens that has the shutter built in to, I would like to add a wide angle lens to my kit but are unsure what lens, what type, do I need any bits to fix to a lens board, also a lens board, in other words I an completely unsure what I need,

All I do know is that with my Canon 5d m2 I have a 17-40 and would like some thing similar in a for my MPP, I know it wont be a zoom.

Any advice grateful received...

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Re: Lens for a MPP

Post by dave_whatever » Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:35 am Etc/GMT-1+01:00

You won't go far wrong with any 90mm f8 from schneider, fuji or nikon.

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Re: Lens for a MPP

Post by IanG » Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:13 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

dave_whatever wrote:You won't go far wrong with any 90mm f8 from schneider, fuji or nikon.
Add to that a 150mm and the combination works well.

I tended to use 28,, & 50mm with 35mm, 45mm & 80mm with my 645 and find that 90mm/150mm combination accounts for 98% of my LF images. I do use a 65mm f8 SA ocassionally and a 210mm taht I'm growing to really like, Ialso have a 300mm that I've used twice (in 20+ years).

So you might think about a 210mm as well, go 90mm, 150mm & 210mm and with current SH prices that's not an expensive proposition.

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Re: Lens for a MPP

Post by Nick Coombs » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:26 am Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Thanks guys, I will start looking for a 90mm first and see how things go from their, is ebay a good place to start or is their somewhere else, I do keep an eye open on here for bits, any advise on what to look out for and what to avoid.

I have also seen some cone things that look like goes on to a lens board and the lens sits on that do I need to get one of these as well.

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Re: Lens for a MPP

Post by dave_whatever » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:29 am Etc/GMT-1+01:00

On 90mms just avoid the very early super angulons in 00 shutters, you're best sticking with a 0 shutter.

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Re: Lens for a MPP

Post by IanG » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:12 am Etc/GMT-1+01:00

dave_whatever wrote:On 90mms just avoid the very early super angulons in 00 shutters, you're best sticking with a 0 shutter.
Have to agree, the 00 Compur is an akward shutter to use my 65mm SA is in one :'( , there's no preview lever and no T setting, you need a locking cable release. It's a pain having to set the shutter speed to B and of course open the aperture as well everytime you set up luckily I don't use the 65mm very often. There's problems getting them repaired now as they are far less common.

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Re: Lens for a MPP

Post by Susie Frith » Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:57 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Hi Nick,

Just to add to the good advice already given, if you go for a Schneider lens, make sure you get a Super Angulon 90mm f/8 (or f/5.6 if your pocket runs to it) and not the earlier Angulon 90mm f/6.8. The earlier lens is okay, but not nearly as good as the Super Angulon.

And yes, you will need a lens board for it.

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Re: Lens for a MPP

Post by IanG » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:16 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Susie Frith wrote:Hi Nick,

Just to add to the good advice already given, if you go for a Schneider lens, make sure you get a Super Angulon 90mm f/8 (or f/5.6 if your pocket runs to it) and not the earlier Angulon 90mm f/6.8. The earlier lens is okay, but not nearly as good as the Super Angulon.

And yes, you will need a lens board for it.

Susie
I'd add that the 90mm f6.8 Angulons are rather variable in quality, some quite poor, the later ones are fine (6 millions serial number). I use one and at f22 it's hard to tell the difference in the results from images made with my 90mm f5.6 SA or 90mm f6,8 Grandagon. Their adavantage is they are small and light but they have a tight image circle so there's no room for much movements. Even a mint one is only worth £100 maximum.

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Re: Lens for a MPP

Post by dave_whatever » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:41 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

I had a very late angulon, 7xxxxxx, which by conventional wisdom aught to have been great. But I found even stopped down to f22 or even f45 i wasn't happy with the shatpness at the corners even shooting straight on with no movements.

I sold it and got a very nice singlecoated fuji 90mm (for less money!) and have never looked back.

For a lightweight wide I'd love to get hold of a 100mm wide-field ektar one day.

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Re: Lens for a MPP

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Re: Lens for a MPP

Post by IanG » Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:36 am Etc/GMT-1+01:00

A point I'd missed not having a Canon 5D is it's full frame so your 17-40mm is on the wdider side, so you might want to look at a 65mm or 75mm Super Angulon or Grandagon. The 75mm f8 SA is less common but has better coverage than the 65mm, I've used both lenses on my Wista 45DX and the 75mm on my Crown Graphic, not sure how you'd get on with an MPP. The later 72mm XL Super Angulon is a better lens but much larger, rear elements may not fit the MPP.

My 65mm SA is small and light and has been a very useful lens, it only just covers 5x4 and so you need to use a lot of care setting up. These are not usually expensive lenses but as before be aware some are in Compur 00 shutters.

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Re: Lens for a MPP

Post by Nick Coombs » Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:20 am Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Hi...

Their has been a lot of good advice given and I thank you all, I will start my searching on eBay and other site such as this for a lens as advised by you lot.
Some of you have spoken saying that some lenses might only cover just a 5x4 field of view, now remember that I am new to this, but is this fixed by the use of the cones I have see pictures of that sit between lens and lensboard.

The other point I have been advised to steer clear of is 00 shutters, how do I spot a double 00 shutter...

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Re: Lens for a MPP

Post by IanG » Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:06 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Anyone selling a lens will normally state the make of shutter & size, if they don't then you can ask but only Compur made a 00 so it'll only be found on German lenses, and there's only a few very early 90mm f8 SA's in a Compur 00 anyway and the early 65mm's. With the 90mm the tell tale sign is the 00 shutter's very small in comparison to the lens.

I wouldn't advise going any wider than 90mm initially. Manufacturers publish the coverage, usually as the image circle at f22 ans the degree ie 46°. The diagonal of the film format must be less than the image circle for a lens to cover, the greater the image circle compared to the diagonal the better the covearge in terms of movement.

Lenses like the 90mm f6.8 Angulon, 65mm f8 SA vignette if you use much shift or rise/fall, other lenses may become soft at the corners with too much movements or suffer excessive light fall off without actual vignetting.

It all sounds more complex than it is in reality, ideally you should try and meet up with an experienced LF worker who could show you what to look out for.

Ian
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Re: Lens for a MPP

Post by Nick Coombs » Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:05 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Ian..

Thank for all that, I understand most if not all what you said, and your advise, I trying to meet up with LF photographers is good advice and one I will follow up on.

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