Which Wide Angle Lens?

Keith Tapscott · Post by **Keith Tapscott** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:00 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

The wide-angle lens that came with my MPP is a Schneider 90mm f/6.8 Angulon (Not a Super Angulon). Which other similar focal length lens will fit the cone shaped lens board that the Angulon is attached to?

I am looking for something with a better coverage of the film area and which is also much sharper.

Matt_Bigwood · Post by **Matt_Bigwood** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:07 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Keith

I bought a Schneider Super Angulon 90mm F8 for a reasonable price from Ebay - it is very sharp and has coverage that allows for some movements. It is mounted in a conical lens board on my MPP mk8.

Let me know if you want to sell the 90mm f6.8 - I fancy one for handheld stuff on the MPP as it is lighter and smaller than the Super,

Matt

Keith Tapscott · Post by **Keith Tapscott** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:03 am Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Matt_Bigwood wrote:Keith

I bought a Schneider Super Angulon 90mm F8 for a reasonable price from Ebay - it is very sharp and has coverage that allows for some movements. It is mounted in a conical lens board on my MPP mk8.

Let me know if you want to sell the 90mm f6.8 - I fancy one for handheld stuff on the MPP as it is lighter and smaller than the Super,

Matt

Hello Matt, does the Super Angulon fit easily on the coned lens-mount in which my Angulon is attached?

Sorry but I will be keeping the Angulon, as I am now considering a commissioned sale of my entire MPP outfit and buying something a bit more modern. `Only considering though`.

Emmanuel Bigler · Post by **Emmanuel Bigler** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:40 am Etc/GMT-1+01:00

I am looking for something with a better coverage of the film area and which is also much sharper.

I am very satisfied with the "small" 6.8 Rodenstock Grandagon-N Wide Angle (WA) lenses. I have both the the 75 and the 90.
The 75 is discontinued but the 90 is still on catalog. Both are easy to find as a second-hand item.
Even if they have "only" 6 elements inside, those lenses are extremely sharp. Even if the recommended aperture is f/22, you can use them at f/16 if you do not ask for maximum coverage. Even at f/11 for a hand-held press camera with little or no movements I'm sure that they will perform very nicely.
They are really compact and the 6.8-90 grandagon-N, if I remember well, is not bigger than the classical (and long discontinued) Schneider super-angulon F/8.

The direct competitor in focal length 90 is the recent, redesigned, 6.8 "classical" Schneider super-angulon.
I know that some f/8 WA lenses in 90 mm exists in the FUji & Nikon catalogue as well...

The real question is : will those modern 6.8 / 75 or 90 mm lenses fit your camera ?
Difficult to say, the mechanical data are available either on the Schneider web site
http://www.schneider-kreuznach.com/foto/foto.htm
http://www.schneider-kreuznach.com/foto ... lassic.htm
and Schneider pdf archives
http://www.schneider-kreuznach.com/archiv/archiv.htm
for Rodenstock lenses see the Linos Rodenstock web site or for the discontinued lenses like the 75mm grandagon-N 6.8 on Paul Butzi's web site.

http://www.linos.com/pages/no_cache/hom ... 7#sid13378

http://www.butzi.net/rodenstock/rodenstock.htm
http://www.butzi.net/rodenstock/grandag ... -chart.htm

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From a historical point of view it is interesting to note that the 6.8 Angulon lens is one of the last representatives of pre-World-War-II WA lenses, with the exception of some WA Congo lenses, still on catalog.
After WW-II, nameley after the 1946 US patent by M.M Roosinov and the developments of the Wild-Aviogon and Zeiss-Biogon by Ludwig Bertele, modern LF WA lenses like the super-angulons and grandagons exhibit very large negative meniscus-shaped front and rrear elements. The new designs perform really better than the old angulon-like designs, but are much bigger & heavier. And demand large size filters. Another advantage of the 6.8 moderns design over the f/5.6 or f/4.5 is that they use smaller size filters.

In order to reduce size & weight the last developments by Schneider use aspherical lens elements (e.g; super Symmar XL 80mm). This is another story, not in the same price range...

Matt_Bigwood · Post by **Matt_Bigwood** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:11 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Keith

The 90mm f8 Super Angulon fits easily on the coned MPP panel, but doesn't work correctly with the rangefinder cam I have for a 90mm - which I think is designed for a straight Angulon.
Matt

buze · Post by **buze** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:55 am Etc/GMT-1+01:00

I have a 90mm Optar (né Rodenstock) that is reputed to be better than the Angulon (covers a tad more too). tiniest piece of a lens as well !

But my personal favourite is the 100mm Wide Field Ektar, it sits just enough on the rail to allow raise/shift on my crown graphic without having to drop the bed, and it's very, very sharp!
But then again, I'm not fond of the 'mega wide' look of <90mm...

Keith Tapscott · Post by **Keith Tapscott** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:57 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

To Matt, Emmanuel and Buze, thanks for replying.
I will look out for a secondhand 90mm f/8 Super-Angulon lens which should provide very good coverage.
Does this lens require a neutral density centre-spot filter to provide even exposure?

Keith.

Matt_Bigwood · Post by **Matt_Bigwood** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:20 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Hi Keith

I've used mine without a centre grad filter with no problems - there's a picture taken with it in the most recent project section on this forum

Matt

Ole Tjugen · Post by **Ole Tjugen** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:35 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

This was shot with a 90/8 SA. On 7x5".

I don't see the great need for a center filter even on this size, and the fall-off is much less on 5x4"!

Post by **masch** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:41 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

I agree. The SA90/8 does not need a centre filter. At least not on anything I have shot so far.

I picked one up in pristine condition from ffordes last year for GBP250, incl a recessed linhof lensboard. They are comparatively inexpensive. Great value for money!

Marc

Keith Tapscott · Post by **Keith Tapscott** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:03 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

I looked on Ffordes site and didn`t see any 90mm Super Angulons. I also checked Mr Cad`s who have 65mm f/8, 75mm f/8 and 121mm f/8 Super Angulons, but not a 90mm. I will keep a look out for one.
Thanks to all who have replied to this thread.

Emmanuel Bigler · Post by **Emmanuel Bigler** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:50 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

You can add Christoph Greiner to your look-up table
Today he has a 90/6.8 Rodenstock grandagon but no Schneider in 90.
http://www.greiner-photo.de/catalog/pro ... cts_id=331

Brian E · Post by **Brian E** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:24 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Keith

MXV ( www.mxv.co.uk ) have 3x 90mm f8 super angulons on their site as at 1920hrs Tuesday 18 Sept - All priced less than GPP 250

good hunting

Brian

Keith Tapscott · Post by **Keith Tapscott** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:58 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Brian E wrote:Keith

MXV ( www.mxv.co.uk ) have 3x 90mm f8 super angulons on their site as at 1920hrs Tuesday 18 Sept - All priced less than GPP 250

good hunting

Brian

Hello Brian,

Thanks for the link.

Cheers.

Keith.

Keith Tapscott · Post by **Keith Tapscott** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:03 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Matt_Bigwood wrote:Keith

The 90mm f8 Super Angulon fits easily on the coned MPP panel, but doesn't work correctly with the rangefinder cam I have for a 90mm - which I think is designed for a straight Angulon.
Matt

Hi Matt,
Which shutter does your 90mm f/8 S.A. have? My 90mm Angulon has a Synchro-Compur, but I`m not sure what the equivalent Copal shutter is.

Thanks,
Keith.

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