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Post by Joanna Carter » Mon May 11, 2009 1:32 am Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Well, thanks to Henri Gaud, who supplied me with the requisite filters, I have just made my first colour image from three black and white negatives.

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Post by Matt_Bigwood » Mon May 11, 2009 7:20 am Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Very impressive - how did you do it?

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Post by deadpan » Mon May 11, 2009 8:55 am Etc/GMT-1+01:00

I'm sure Joanna will fill us all in...but in the meantime...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Mik ... in-Gorskii

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Post by Patrick Dixon » Mon May 11, 2009 10:03 am Etc/GMT-1+01:00

I was going to ask what the point was, but I guess given the quality of B&W film it should be possible to make some stunning quality colour pictures - if you can overcome the problems of not moving anything during the 3 exposures.

The photos in that wikipedia link are certainly very impressive.

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Post by Joanna Carter » Mon May 11, 2009 10:27 am Etc/GMT-1+01:00

How did I do it ?

I made three shots of the subject; one through a 25 red filter, one through a 47B green filter and one through a 58 blue filter.

The exposures have to be increased from the measured value by three stops for the red and green filters and four stops for the blue filter.

Once the film is processed, I scanned the images into Photoshop, spotted all three images and then set about combining them into one colour image.

I had also taken a set of shots of a colour chart and had merged them, produced and saved an adjustment curve that neutralised any colour imbalance.

Merging the images starts by converting each one to a colour file and filling the entire image with cyan for the red, magenta for the green and yellow for the blue; all using the "screen" mode.

Next, I created a new blank colour file, the same size as the originals, copied the separate images into it and set the mode of the top two layers to "multiply"; then I aligned the images.

Finally, I added a curve layer, loaded from the curve file I had created from the colour chart.

Oh, and my inspiration comes, not from that Wikipedia article but, from Henri Gaud http://trichromie.free.fr/trichromie/
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Post by Paul Mitchell » Mon May 11, 2009 2:02 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Excellent image Joanna, fascinating process. Have often thought about doing gum bichromates but it's quite time consuming http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Gum%20B ... =all&s=int

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Post by Joanna Carter » Sat May 16, 2009 6:54 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

And here is a second shot made at the same time as the beer bottles.

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Post by Nigels » Mon May 18, 2009 1:03 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

The colours do look very natural in the shots but it does seem like a lot of effort. Have you done comparisons with reversal and neg film? It would be nice to see the same shots on the three diff media alonside to see if the effort is worth it.
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Post by Joanna Carter » Mon May 18, 2009 1:15 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Nigels wrote:The colours do look very natural in the shots but it does seem like a lot of effort. Have you done comparisons with reversal and neg film? It would be nice to see the same shots on the three diff media alonside to see if the effort is worth it.
Hi Nigel, the reason for using the trichromie process is not to save money but to enjoy using an old process, albeit updated by scanning. The results from trichomie are not always as perfect as these, I obviously have been too good at getting the colour balance and saturation right :roll:

One of my aims with familiarising myself with this process is to prepare for an experiment in making images of subjects like the interior of churches or other rooms where the exterior light is very bright when compared with the interior shadow detail. If I can apply the same principles of negative contraction that I would use for pure B&W, I should be able to produce three "full range" colour separations on B&W film which can be combined to form one "HDR" colour image.
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Post by Thingy » Wed May 27, 2009 9:58 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Straying off topic slightly, I didn't know St Peter's did a red ale. The last time I drank red ale was Tuborg's Rød Øl (Red Beer) at the Royal Danish Airforce's former base at Avnø..... just BEFORE we went flying and looped the loop. Uurgh! It almost ended up on the cockpit window! :lol: The beer has sadly not been made for some years now.

It is an interesting technique and is probably much simpler than the first colour images that were made, through complex processing, back in 1906. I have a book in my loft somewhere on spectroscopy - it explains how to make one (they were not available to buy ready made in those days) and make colour spectrographs on home coated, etc glass plates in an early large format camera. The book was published in 1910.
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Re: Trichromie

Post by NorthSands » Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:07 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Excellent to see this technique used nowadays - would be keen to see some outdoor photographs as well, see how the colours look.

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Re: Trichromie

Post by Steven » Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:57 am Etc/GMT-1+01:00

An similar technique is used for colour astrophotography, from serious amateurs up to the Hubble Space Telescope. A black and white CCD camera is used with filters (red, green and blue for "ordinary" images, narrow band filters for specific wavelengths to show specific elements, such as hydrogen or oxygen in a cloud of gas), which are used to superimpose the colours onto a black and white "luminance" layer. A monochrome CCD allows comparatively greater detail in the image than a colour sensor would give.

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Re: Trichromie

Post by dave_whatever » Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:03 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Sorry to dredge up an old thread, but I came across this today (alerted to its existence via the book of faces) which contains a load of trichromie images from pre-WWI imperial russia - some of them quite remarkable:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/0 ... y_ago.html

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Re: Trichromie

Post by Neil Barnes » Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:41 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Thanks, Dave - there are some *stunning* images there...

I wonder: they're obviously 'instantaneous' but I wonder whether this was three cameras, or one camera with filters and a mirror splitter?

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Re: Trichromie

Post by dave_whatever » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:15 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Some of them have colour ghosts which implies the shots must have been taken consecutively. So I'm guessing one camera, three shots in very quick sucession? And asking the subjects to keep VERY still.

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