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Which Wide Angle Lens?
The wide-angle lens that came with my MPP is a Schneider 90mm f/6.8 Angulon (Not a Super Angulon). Which other similar focal length lens will fit the cone shaped lens board that the Angulon is attached to?
I am looking for something with a better coverage of the film area and which is also much sharper.
I am looking for something with a better coverage of the film area and which is also much sharper.
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I bought a Schneider Super Angulon 90mm F8 for a reasonable price from Ebay - it is very sharp and has coverage that allows for some movements. It is mounted in a conical lens board on my MPP mk8.
Let me know if you want to sell the 90mm f6.8 - I fancy one for handheld stuff on the MPP as it is lighter and smaller than the Super,
Matt
I bought a Schneider Super Angulon 90mm F8 for a reasonable price from Ebay - it is very sharp and has coverage that allows for some movements. It is mounted in a conical lens board on my MPP mk8.
Let me know if you want to sell the 90mm f6.8 - I fancy one for handheld stuff on the MPP as it is lighter and smaller than the Super,
Matt
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Hello Matt, does the Super Angulon fit easily on the coned lens-mount in which my Angulon is attached?Matt_Bigwood wrote:Keith
I bought a Schneider Super Angulon 90mm F8 for a reasonable price from Ebay - it is very sharp and has coverage that allows for some movements. It is mounted in a conical lens board on my MPP mk8.
Let me know if you want to sell the 90mm f6.8 - I fancy one for handheld stuff on the MPP as it is lighter and smaller than the Super,
Matt
Sorry but I will be keeping the Angulon, as I am now considering a commissioned sale of my entire MPP outfit and buying something a bit more modern. `Only considering though`.
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Ligtweight & compact wide-angle LF lenses
I am looking for something with a better coverage of the film area and which is also much sharper.
I am very satisfied with the "small" 6.8 Rodenstock Grandagon-N Wide Angle (WA) lenses. I have both the the 75 and the 90.
The 75 is discontinued but the 90 is still on catalog. Both are easy to find as a second-hand item.
Even if they have "only" 6 elements inside, those lenses are extremely sharp. Even if the recommended aperture is f/22, you can use them at f/16 if you do not ask for maximum coverage. Even at f/11 for a hand-held press camera with little or no movements I'm sure that they will perform very nicely.
They are really compact and the 6.8-90 grandagon-N, if I remember well, is not bigger than the classical (and long discontinued) Schneider super-angulon F/8.
The direct competitor in focal length 90 is the recent, redesigned, 6.8 "classical" Schneider super-angulon.
I know that some f/8 WA lenses in 90 mm exists in the FUji & Nikon catalogue as well...
The real question is : will those modern 6.8 / 75 or 90 mm lenses fit your camera ?
Difficult to say, the mechanical data are available either on the Schneider web site
http://www.schneider-kreuznach.com/foto/foto.htm
http://www.schneider-kreuznach.com/foto ... lassic.htm
and Schneider pdf archives
http://www.schneider-kreuznach.com/archiv/archiv.htm
for Rodenstock lenses see the Linos Rodenstock web site or for the discontinued lenses like the 75mm grandagon-N 6.8 on Paul Butzi's web site.
http://www.linos.com/pages/no_cache/hom ... 7#sid13378
http://www.butzi.net/rodenstock/rodenstock.htm
http://www.butzi.net/rodenstock/grandag ... -chart.htm
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From a historical point of view it is interesting to note that the 6.8 Angulon lens is one of the last representatives of pre-World-War-II WA lenses, with the exception of some WA Congo lenses, still on catalog.
After WW-II, nameley after the 1946 US patent by M.M Roosinov and the developments of the Wild-Aviogon and Zeiss-Biogon by Ludwig Bertele, modern LF WA lenses like the super-angulons and grandagons exhibit very large negative meniscus-shaped front and rrear elements. The new designs perform really better than the old angulon-like designs, but are much bigger & heavier. And demand large size filters. Another advantage of the 6.8 moderns design over the f/5.6 or f/4.5 is that they use smaller size filters.
In order to reduce size & weight the last developments by Schneider use aspherical lens elements (e.g; super Symmar XL 80mm). This is another story, not in the same price range...
I am very satisfied with the "small" 6.8 Rodenstock Grandagon-N Wide Angle (WA) lenses. I have both the the 75 and the 90.
The 75 is discontinued but the 90 is still on catalog. Both are easy to find as a second-hand item.
Even if they have "only" 6 elements inside, those lenses are extremely sharp. Even if the recommended aperture is f/22, you can use them at f/16 if you do not ask for maximum coverage. Even at f/11 for a hand-held press camera with little or no movements I'm sure that they will perform very nicely.
They are really compact and the 6.8-90 grandagon-N, if I remember well, is not bigger than the classical (and long discontinued) Schneider super-angulon F/8.
The direct competitor in focal length 90 is the recent, redesigned, 6.8 "classical" Schneider super-angulon.
I know that some f/8 WA lenses in 90 mm exists in the FUji & Nikon catalogue as well...
The real question is : will those modern 6.8 / 75 or 90 mm lenses fit your camera ?
Difficult to say, the mechanical data are available either on the Schneider web site
http://www.schneider-kreuznach.com/foto/foto.htm
http://www.schneider-kreuznach.com/foto ... lassic.htm
and Schneider pdf archives
http://www.schneider-kreuznach.com/archiv/archiv.htm
for Rodenstock lenses see the Linos Rodenstock web site or for the discontinued lenses like the 75mm grandagon-N 6.8 on Paul Butzi's web site.
http://www.linos.com/pages/no_cache/hom ... 7#sid13378
http://www.butzi.net/rodenstock/rodenstock.htm
http://www.butzi.net/rodenstock/grandag ... -chart.htm
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From a historical point of view it is interesting to note that the 6.8 Angulon lens is one of the last representatives of pre-World-War-II WA lenses, with the exception of some WA Congo lenses, still on catalog.
After WW-II, nameley after the 1946 US patent by M.M Roosinov and the developments of the Wild-Aviogon and Zeiss-Biogon by Ludwig Bertele, modern LF WA lenses like the super-angulons and grandagons exhibit very large negative meniscus-shaped front and rrear elements. The new designs perform really better than the old angulon-like designs, but are much bigger & heavier. And demand large size filters. Another advantage of the 6.8 moderns design over the f/5.6 or f/4.5 is that they use smaller size filters.
In order to reduce size & weight the last developments by Schneider use aspherical lens elements (e.g; super Symmar XL 80mm). This is another story, not in the same price range...
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I have a 90mm Optar (né Rodenstock) that is reputed to be better than the Angulon (covers a tad more too). tiniest piece of a lens as well !
But my personal favourite is the 100mm Wide Field Ektar, it sits just enough on the rail to allow raise/shift on my crown graphic without having to drop the bed, and it's very, very sharp!
But then again, I'm not fond of the 'mega wide' look of <90mm...
But my personal favourite is the 100mm Wide Field Ektar, it sits just enough on the rail to allow raise/shift on my crown graphic without having to drop the bed, and it's very, very sharp!
But then again, I'm not fond of the 'mega wide' look of <90mm...
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Hi Keith
I've used mine without a centre grad filter with no problems - there's a picture taken with it in the most recent project section on this forum
Matt
I've used mine without a centre grad filter with no problems - there's a picture taken with it in the most recent project section on this forum
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I agree. The SA90/8 does not need a centre filter. At least not on anything I have shot so far.
I picked one up in pristine condition from ffordes last year for GBP250, incl a recessed linhof lensboard. They are comparatively inexpensive. Great value for money!
Marc
I picked one up in pristine condition from ffordes last year for GBP250, incl a recessed linhof lensboard. They are comparatively inexpensive. Great value for money!
Marc
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Lokking for modern 90 mm WA lens
You can add Christoph Greiner to your look-up table
Today he has a 90/6.8 Rodenstock grandagon but no Schneider in 90.
http://www.greiner-photo.de/catalog/pro ... cts_id=331
Today he has a 90/6.8 Rodenstock grandagon but no Schneider in 90.
http://www.greiner-photo.de/catalog/pro ... cts_id=331
Keith
MXV ( www.mxv.co.uk ) have 3x 90mm f8 super angulons on their site as at 1920hrs Tuesday 18 Sept - All priced less than GPP 250
good hunting
Brian
MXV ( www.mxv.co.uk ) have 3x 90mm f8 super angulons on their site as at 1920hrs Tuesday 18 Sept - All priced less than GPP 250
good hunting
Brian
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Hello Brian,Brian E wrote:Keith
MXV ( www.mxv.co.uk ) have 3x 90mm f8 super angulons on their site as at 1920hrs Tuesday 18 Sept - All priced less than GPP 250
good hunting
Brian
Thanks for the link.
Cheers.
Keith.
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Hi Matt,Matt_Bigwood wrote:Keith
The 90mm f8 Super Angulon fits easily on the coned MPP panel, but doesn't work correctly with the rangefinder cam I have for a 90mm - which I think is designed for a straight Angulon.
Matt
Which shutter does your 90mm f/8 S.A. have? My 90mm Angulon has a Synchro-Compur, but I`m not sure what the equivalent Copal shutter is.
Thanks,
Keith.