When our Nationality Conditions How We Appreciate an Image

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When our Nationality Conditions How We Appreciate an Image

Post by Joanna Carter » Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:04 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Following the workshop Helen and I ran in France, Jean-Romain Pac, one of our attendees wrote an interesting blog entry http://www.jrpac.com/blog/2009/lorsque- ... une-image/

Here is a translation into English for everyone except Charles and Emmanuel (who, I have no doubt, will tear my attempts to shreds :wink: :roll: )
After returning from the large format workshop, which I I attended for these past three days in Pleudihen, I have become aware of some important information about the appreciation of an image: the nationality or the culture of the person viewing it.

The workshop was led by Joanna Carter, an English landscape photographer.

For several years, landscape photography didn't really interest me, too pictorial and missing that element of risk for my taste.

Surprisingly, this point of view was shared by other attendees, who were French like me.

And it is there that lies the interest of this workshop because, with the help of certain participants, of Joanna and her English friend, I have been able to appreciate the simplicity of these images.

The "English School" of landscape photography is very classical. You will not find images that shock in this heritage, only images that do not belong to a series but, in which, beauty becomes the underlying subject.

The photographs are not very contrasty and the subtlety, from processing to printing - whether silver or digital - becomes an integral part of the codes of this school from the other side of the Channel.

The landscapes of Jem Southam for example, with a gentle contrast, benefit from well detailed shadows that are not completely dark.

Helen, Joanna's friend, showed me photos that supported these cultural differences. We were in the process of preparing a photo in Photoshop: the horizon, a viaduct, some surrounding trees and a river cutting a path between the plants and the stones on the ground.

To my mind, the digital print was almost complete. Overall, the image looked good but something was disturbing me about the plants on the ground. I felt that this area was too bland, lacking slightly in contrast and not dark enough.

For the two English women, the photo was finished and there was nothing more to change. I explained my dissatisfaction to them, they explained their satisfaction to me and it was at this moment that Helen helped me to understand the differences of vision in a common universe: the photograph.

The French like to print their photos with a lot of contrast, with strong blacks and extremely dense greys : "It has to be art" said Joanna with a hint of irony, talking of the French school. Helen leafed through the previous month's edition of the Réponses Photo magazine and, effectively, in a flash it hit me between the eyes.

Printing is a question of proportion, that is to say, of good taste. It has to be stated that the French have a heavy hand!

An image with too marked a variation between the highlights and the shadows falls rapidly into the vulgar. But, more seriously, it becomes rigid. The lines are strengthened, the edges are widened and the eye has trouble in finding its way around.

In looking again at the image that we were in the process of printing, the viaduct was well balanced, delicate, much more subtle than my initial ideas.

You could look at it several times and discover, at each look, something new. In places, a moderate weight to the print augmented the ways in which the print could be viewed.

That which made me a little afraid in this experience was that, between the beginning of the workshop and the Sunday, Friday's insipid and bland photo had become Sunday's subtle and elegant photo. On the other hand, the contrasty image that I would have appreciated at the start of the workshop had fallen, in my mind, into vulgarity and bad taste at the end of the three days.

One single photo, two different opinions separated by three days.

Even if my discourse seems a little qualified, the two different versions of this photo, by adjusting the printing, are both "good". The difference is slight but is representative of a visual culture specific to each country.

In a manner of conclusion, I will cite Jean-Lou Sieff who has found the solution to these existential questionings: "I suggest, without great hope of being respected, to classify photographs in two large families: the good and the bad!"
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Re: When our Nationality Conditions How We Appreciate an Image

Post by Nigels » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:17 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

I find myself reminded of a quote from Mark Twain - "All generalisations are false, including this one."
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Re: When our Nationality Conditions How We Appreciate an Image

Post by Charles Twist » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:38 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Hello Joanna,
Glad to see they let you back in the country. How many bottles of wine did you hide in the bellows of your Ebonies?
Thanks for the link: it's a lot easier to translate into your native tongue, so don't worry. Being half-frog (and presumably half-prince too :wink: ), I feel that there is prehaps an element of truth, but only a small one. They're assuming that your pics are standard, whereas I know that you work very hard to encompass as wide a dynamic range as possible in your trannies and prints. My pics are a lot darker and I am not alone. Conversely, the French do know a thing or two about HDR (Imagerie à grande gamme dynamique). The most interesting part of the post is Monsieur Pac's honest account of how he realised that he was in a rut, following his little pack and that there was life beyond that. A lesson for all the dogmatics out there.
It's not black and white, so to speak.
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Re: When our Nationality Conditions How We Appreciate an Image

Post by Joanna Carter » Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:06 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Charles Twist wrote:How many bottles of wine did you hide in the bellows of your Ebonies?
How I wish. I have been suffering from an abscess on a tooth, experienced the superb service of a French dentist (an appointment in less than 24 hours, an amazingly equipped surgery for a small village, only €21 and I could have got a refund from the insurance). The result - not being able to drink any alcohol, not even the local ciders, because of the antibiotics. :evil: :roll:
Charles Twist wrote:Being half-frog (and presumably half-prince too :wink: )
Well, at least you got to marry a beautiful princess (Hi Naomi :wink: )
Charles Twist wrote:They're assuming that your pics are standard, whereas I know that you work very hard to encompass as wide a dynamic range as possible in your trannies and prints.
Not at all; what Jean-Romain writes is but a part of a great afternoon, discussing making the best of any image, from camera to print.
Charles Twist wrote:My pics are a lot darker and I am not alone.
Amongst your compatriots, you will never be alone :roll:
Charles Twist wrote:The most interesting part of the post is Monsieur Pac's honest account of how he realised that he was in a rut, following his little pack and that there was life beyond that. A lesson for all the dogmatics out there.
Yes, he has just turned professional after the workshop, so we wish him all success et bonne continuation.
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Re: When our Nationality Conditions How We Appreciate an Image

Post by Patrick Dixon » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:11 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Wasn't Dogmatix something to do with Asterix?

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Re: When our Nationality Conditions How We Appreciate an Image

Post by Joanna Carter » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:30 pm Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Patrick Dixon wrote:Wasn't Dogmatix something to do with Asterix?
That's the English name for Idéfix http://www.asterix.com/encyclopedie/per ... defix.html

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Re: When our Nationality Conditions How We Appreciate an Image

Post by Emmanuel Bigler » Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:34 am Etc/GMT-1+01:00

Hello all

Coming late to this discussion I'm happy to see that the workshop went well.

[cheeke-in-tongue-mode : ON]
It is incredible to see how anything related to France as seen from across the Channel should involve wine tasting (cider-tasting and Calvados-tasting would be more appropriate in Brittany or Normandy) or any other alcoholic beverage-parties.
Joanna explained somewhere that she had trouble with an excess of humidity disturbing the behaviour of the Ebonys in the (wet) fields, as you can see, on the contrary, if the sessions were apparently not "dry", instead they were devoted to water and "wetness" in the true sense of the term ;)

Too bad that Joanna did not find any waterfall to be recorded with a long exposure time (we know today that long and wet exposure times near a waterfall are detrimental to the Ebonys) , this could have been combined with the present discussion about trans-Channel esthaetic differences ;)

[cheeke-in-tongue-mode : OFF]

Regarding contrast and landscape, there might be a simple (but probably too simple, so I'm posting it for your criticism) explanation due to the different kind of light that we usually experience in France in summer, the usual sunny-16-rule-with-bright-sunshine-in-the-back. Compared to the subtle lights of the British isles (at least outside days of heavy London fog like in Conan Doyle's stories), the more subtle being when you travel up north to Scotland ?

Regarding harsh lights of southern Europe, I remember from one of Ingmar Bergman's biographies that he had, for a while, an obligation to emigrate to Southern Europe in order to escape the Swedish fiscal administration. He mentions that he really hated the harsh lights thats we, the latin guys of southern Europe, usually find the most pleasant in summer and that he really missed the "subtle grazing lights" of scandinavia.

Another suggestion to explain this difference in appreciation regarding subtle tones in landscape photography as opposed to "shouting contrast" would be to check whether there is, or not, a pictural tradition in Britain opposed to France regarding subtle tones in classical, pre-photo days, landscape painting.
Am I wrong by stating that watercolours are a typical British tradition, where subtle tones are one of the key features of this art ?

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